Show Notes:

You already know how powerful social media can be for marketing. You’re probably already using it for your own artist business. Maybe you’re even already working with social media influencers.

In this episode, we walk you through a new twist on an old strategy that has many potential variations. How far can it go?

KOBY: [00:00:00] Welcome back for episode 24 of Self-Signed artist. For most musicians, social media strategy looks a lot like throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks today. We want to give you one actual concrete step by step strategy to help you use social media for promotion.

 How’s it going everybody I’m Koby Nelson and I’m joined as usual by my cohost, Jake


JAKE: [00:01:01] hello? Hello.

KOBY: [00:01:02] How’s it going? Jake? It’s been a few episodes now, since we haven’t had a guest on, I feel I feel like skipped out on talking to each other.

You’ve been good.

JAKE: [00:01:10] it’s been a little bit, I’ve been all right. How have you been?

KOBY: [00:01:13] Been doing all right. Just doing a lot of working, lots of fun stress at work. So it’s good to do something else other than that. So this week we’re talking about social media and I know for listeners out there, it’s, it’s, it’s one of those over-talked about topics across all platforms. I don’t know if you go on YouTube, there’s podcasts, blogs, dogs, whatever.

It’s the thing that everybody is always covering. And I think most of them are saying the same sorts of generic things. A lot of them will say like, just post engaging content or interact with your followers. And I mean, that, that’s one that we’ve even been slightly guilty of here too. On this podcast.

When we’ve talked about social media, And I think all those things are true and stuff that you should do, but it’s sort of, it’s sort of an abstract thing and not really all that actionable. and I think that’s part of the reason that I’ve been reluctant to talk about social media so far on this podcast, at least as a topic for a full episode.

and like I said, we’ve talked about it here and there in relation to other topics. But for me, I mean, I don’t know how you feel about it, Jake. I feel like we’ve had a conversation about this at some point. but like to be honest, I don’t really feel like I’m an expert on social media.

JAKE: [00:02:37] yeah,

Me either.

KOBY: [00:02:38] yeah, it, frankly.

For me and my business, it’s actually not that big of a part of my personal business. So I have an Instagram and a Facebook for my business, but those are kind of like auxiliary parts of the whole thing of the whole business. Like I’m a mix engineer, so. I dunno if you think about it, Instagram’s not the best marketing tool for mixing.

I don’t really think, or I haven’t found a way to make it a really great marketing tool. Like when an artist needs somebody to mix a song or their album or whatever, I don’t think that many people are going to Instagram to find that person to find a mixer, you know? Like, do you go to Instagram for that?

JAKE: [00:03:24] no, dude. I think it’s so hard to find mixed work period because it’s all in my experience, at least it’s, it’s mostly word of mouth

because you

have to trust.

KOBY: [00:03:38] Right. Yeah. It’s,


people talking to their friends or maybe they’re like Googling mix engineer in whatever state or whatever that they’re in. Or they’re like looking at credits on releases that they know about. And they like the sound of. I’ve, I’ve had a couple people Bumble across my Instagram, and reach out through that, or I don’t know.

No, there’s probably been some people too that have mommy through some other way and then recognize my name from Instagram. but it’s, really not a huge part of my business in the first place. So social media isn’t driving people to me. So I haven’t really gone into it as much as I maybe should have, especially for us to, to cover it here.

For me again, it’s goes back to my website, which we’ve talked about. Coby K O B Y N E L S O for an absolutely shameless plug, and honestly, actually for me, I think this podcast is probably just as big of a part or maybe even a bigger part of my personal marketing than.

My Instagram and I don’t have a Twitter account or a tick tock account, or really anything else. What else is there? There’s gotta be more stuff Now I can’t even think of social the media platforms,

JAKE: [00:04:58] MySpace

KOBY: [00:04:59] I probably still have in my space somewhere. what about you Jake though? Like how, how big of a deal do you think social media plays in either of your businesses, either your studio business, or your artist business?

JAKE: [00:05:12] well, Instagram plays. A pretty big role in my business because a lot of times I’m getting tagged on artists releases. Like I work with a lot of hip hop artists, so people are releasing like nearly every day. You know what I mean? Not the same artist, but. Someone I work with is like always releasing.

There’s usually a release coming out. So I’m getting tagged and, and people see that and hit the artists up and say, you know, who was your record with? Who makes it your stuff? Or they see me get tagged and say, yo, I saw you did this thing, whatever, but I don’t get that on Twitter. I don’t get, I, I keep I keep pretty much everything on Facebook.

I don’t even know why I have a Facebook. But yeah, I would say it’s a pretty crucial part to the mixing. And for when you say the, either business, you’re saying like the, the, artist, like


KOBY: [00:06:02] right for trying to connect with new fans or, or anything like that.

JAKE: [00:06:06] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it’s crucial. I think it’s crucial. I’m not good at it. Matter of fact, I, I ha I don’t have any social media on my phone right now, period.

Um, but I don’t think I don’t know,  I’m in the same boat as you it’s like, I see things and sometimes I understand them and I get why they work. And I’m like, Oh, that’s smart. That’s smart. sort of like our topic today. but like, Leaving me to figure out how to do one of those things on my own or come up with one of these strategies I’m on my own.

Yeah. Right. Good luck.

KOBY: [00:06:38] Yeah, well, I guess we should probably, backpedal a little bit. So we’ve now we’ve established ourselves as fully ignorant on the topic of social media and everybody’s now leaving. Cause why are we even talking about this in the first place? So I guess we should. We should have probably led with the good stuff and then people about how we’re morons and suck at social media at the end.

But I guess at this point, the damage just done. So let’s, let’s regroup a little bit and talk about why we’re actually making this episode. so this past week, Jake sent me a. Tick tock, texted it to me and it was about social media marketing. and it’s, it’s actually from another podcast. I don’t remember the name of the podcast Do you remember?

JAKE: [00:07:22] now let me pull it up quick though. Cause we should shout them out.

KOBY: [00:07:24] Yeah. and when I saw it, it kind of blew my mind and it. blew Jake’s mind as well. And it’s really just a simple strategy for getting more publicity. That, I don’t know. It got my mind turning like crazy, with little variations that you could put on it to make it a great tool for musicians in general, kind of, regardless of platform, too, which I thought was really interesting.

So Jake, when you find that, let us know who it is, what the name of the podcast was, and then give us a rundown of, of what the strategy is at its core.

JAKE: [00:08:00] It’s called content is King

KOBY: [00:08:03] So it’s a social media, it’s a podcast about social media and social media marketing. Really?

JAKE: [00:08:09] Yeah. So what this person did is they had I think it was a song that they wanted to promote and instead of going out there and finding one big social media influencer to say, yo, shout my song out. And let’s get some, let’s get some tweets going, let’s get some hype going around it on Twitter, you know, instead of them paying that one person, let’s say a hundred bucks to do that.

Instead, what they did is they paid a smaller social media influencer, something like, I don’t know, 50 bucks, and then use the other 50 to pay smaller influencers, five, $10 to retweet. The tweet from the bigger social media influencer. Did I break that down?

KOBY: [00:08:50] the, I mean, that’s yeah, that’s exactly right. So they didn’t choose one big person or even like five big people or 10 medium-sized people to just like tweet all the same content. It, yeah, you’re absolutely right. They took these smaller influencers and had them retweet the tweet created by the slightly larger influencer, which.

I think is like absolutely genius. And the key, the key here is that what the result of that was is that they got like millions and millions. I think that he said like 40 million.

JAKE: [00:09:23] Yeah, like crazy amount.

KOBY: [00:09:25] Yeah, they got, they reached like 40 million people or something like that. Something just absolutely ridiculous. So that got both of us.

Thinking about where that could go next and what that could look like and why that was really a better strategy than having five medium or five large, influencers. Just tweet about your song release or something like that. I think If we break it down and look at how it actually works, it really comes back to something that we’ve talked about before it comes back to the idea of social proof, I think.

so when people are out there seeing something that’s been retweeted by an influencer that they’re familiar with, And it’s a retweet of something by a bigger influencer right there that shows that there’s some value in whatever that content is. It shows that there was a bigger influencer who thought it was worthy of a tweet.

And then there were smaller influencers who thought that person’s tweet was worthy of a retweet. So you already have this layer of social proof the first time. You come across it as like a consumer of the content just out there on Twitter or whatever it is. So I think that’s super, super powerful and super, super smart.

And I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anybody doing something quite like that. Like I’ve heard of marketing through social media influencers and paying people to either create a post for you or even paying somebody to. Like retweet one of your posts. I think I’ve heard of that type of thing too, but there’s like one extra step that I really think adds the element that makes something able to become viral content.

You know what I mean? It’s almost like an algorithm hack at the same time, because. the algorithm is seeing that there’s an influencer out there, there who has a lot of followers. Yeah. And that they’re, they post something and it gets some traction, but it doesn’t just get traction from their regular followers.

It gets traction from other influencers who have a lot of followers. So it’s, it’s sort of like a, it’s almost like a pyramid scheme or I I’m not exactly, but like that same kind of idea. It’s like a trickle down. Type of thing, to, to get it out to the masses. what, what do you think are the downsides to that as a strategy? I mean, the obvious one is that in order to make that work, you’re going to have to. Part with at least some money. Right.

JAKE: [00:12:02] I mean, you can, You can pay as much as you want, but you’re definitely going to have to pay some money.

KOBY: [00:12:06] Right. but if you look at the potential benefits, especially for something like a song, if you’re reaching millions and millions of people with those retweets, I mean, probably worth it in the long run for you. If it costs, you say a hundred dollars to make that actually happen.

I don’t know. I, at least I feel like that would be worth a hundred dollars to me. Do you feel like that would be worth it to,

JAKE: [00:12:32] yeah. Huge return. Cause

KOBY: [00:12:34] so.

JAKE: [00:12:34] the, you could make off of streaming. like exponential, as long as the song is good. You know what I mean? Like that you can bet you could get a hit doing that.

KOBY: [00:12:42] Right. Well, I think actually what you just said kind of points out the other potential downside. I don’t know if it’s technically, if you would technically consider it downside, but you do have to have good content that you’re starting with that. Whatever the original influencer is talking about creating a tweet about, or, or something like that.

Like this isn’t going to work or it may work. You may get millions and millions of people that see it, but it’s not going to actually work for you in your business and create fans, obviously, if it’s like a garbage which song.

So there’s that element still? that’s. I don’t know if that’s a downside, obviously it’s, it’s like what we’ve talked about in the first episode of this show.

Like you, you do need to have good music. That’s a requirement, but at the same time, there are all these other things that need to happen also in order for you to really be successful in music as your business. So this is one of those things. I think that could be a really great way. To draw success to your business.

If you have that prerequisite of a really good song, I guess there’s also, maybe isn’t the, it’s not something that you could do any time. You know what I mean? Like, I don’t think this is a marketing strategy for social media that you can just like do on a whim or. Even like, obviously it’s not going to be something that you’re doing all the time.

This would be something that’d be like, focused around a specific release or something like that. Like if you’ve just put out a new song that you’re confident is good and has the potential to catch on. I mean, that’s another, that’s another thing there there’s I guess some potential risk, because who’s to say what, huh.

Has the potential to be successful in the end? You know, it’s like the classic. problem predicting hits. You still have to be able to, to a certain degree, predict the hit and then implement the strategy at the right time. So it’s, it’s definitely not like a one size fits all, just do this and you’ll be a superstar, but I still think it’s a very, very interesting strategy.

JAKE: [00:14:55] yeah, it could be, could be very, Critical

KOBY: [00:14:59] Yeah. If it happens, I guess. So if we’re trying to actually implement this. in an artist business, I guess the first thing that you have to figure out once you have, once, you know, what you’re trying to promote the song is who are they influencers that you should reach out to? Right. I think this actually brings us back to, Another tick talk that you sent me. I think it was this week also, maybe in the last thing you sent me, which was about a tool that you can use to find what your followers and, like friends on Facebook and stuff like that.

What types of content they’re consuming, and it’s called. Think with Google, find my audience.

JAKE: [00:15:46] Sounds so fake.

KOBY: [00:15:47] It does sound super, super fake. so it’s this website called think with and it’s, it’s really meant. I mean, they talk about taking your marketing further with Google. It’s kind of like their, their tagline. So it’s using, way people interact with Google to help you figure out who your audience is and what other things they’re interested in.

So I think that could be one way using a tool like that, to find out what types of content your followers are consuming. That could be a way that you could find which influencers you should reach out to. So maybe like you’re a musician, but obviously your fans. and even your potential fans are going to have other things that they’re interested in.

So you can use your followers, plug it into this type of tool and see that, Oh, your fans also are really

into. Sure really into Slayer. You’re a, you’re a folk musician and all your, all your followers are really into Slayer. I mean, that would be something that you would need a tool like this to figure it out, I guess.

but it could be anything they’re really into skiing. It could be any other interest and then you can use that information to help you choose which influencers you reach out to, to, to have, either retweet. The original tweet or whatever influencer posts, the original tweet. Does that

JAKE: [00:17:16] That makes sense. Yes.

KOBY: [00:17:18] you’re trying to tap into other interests that your potential fans might have. So they’ll stumble across you and have a way to actually find you. So that’s another thing you’ve been sending me a lots of, lots of good tick talks lately.

JAKE: [00:17:33] dude, as, as keep

KOBY: [00:17:34] doing


JAKE: [00:17:35] it was like, it, like, it just kept feeding me more and more and more and more to the point where it wasn’t showing me any funny ones anymore. I was like, this sucks. I want to be honest.

KOBY: [00:17:44] Now you’re getting like all, business

stuff on

JAKE: [00:17:46] Yeah. It’s all marketing and business, how to build your business, how I made this amount of it’s like, Oh my gosh.

I just want to see someone doing some weird stuff.

KOBY: [00:17:57] Well, I mean, it’s giving us podcast content, so I guess it’s good for good for now. do you have any opinion on like, what would be a qualifier for the original person to. Create a tweet or something like that, that you reach out to the original influencer. Like, is it just about size, do you think?

Or, should they be the most specifically, like related to you kind of.

JAKE: [00:18:21] I honestly have no idea, but I will say this a few of the artists that I have worked with have reached out to influencers. And I will say that there is absolutely no standard rate. They can charge you whatever they feel like

charging you. So don’t get your heart set on one,

like just ask a few, ask a few of all different sizes and see what the prices they give you are with a different, cause it’ll give you options, like a story post, a regular post, like a shout out, whatever a tag.

and make sure you get all the details upfront

KOBY: [00:18:56] yeah,

it’s, it’s the wild West. There’s like, there’s no standardized business model for this. Like they can charge as much as. They feel their influence is worth. And honestly they can charge as much as your willing to pay. Ultimately like that’s, what’s creating the prices is how much are people willing to pay for a post for

JAKE: [00:19:19] your

input? And I’ll say this, I’ll say this don’t go overboard on the. Hey, I love your content so much because of all these reasons. And here’s a huge paragraph for you to read,

 KOBY: [00:19:31] yeah. Get to the point and get a rate. yeah, I think if it was me, if I was going to go out and try this, I would probably try and choose. the original poster, the influencer, that’s going to make the original post and have that person be the, the most, most related to like my broad audience. You know what I mean?

Like the overall. audience that I’m trying to reach, and then you can use the sort of secondary influencers who are reposting or re tweeting and try and focus in on smaller areas of your audience, like specific interests that your audience might have. Does that make sense where you kind of use it as like a way to branch out to a bunch of different.

Communities of people that could potentially be your fans, but that original post kind of has to, I think, apply to everybody or otherwise the social proof thing kind of breaks down. You know, you want everybody, you kind of want everybody who’s seeing it to sort of at least be aware of who the original influencer is.

That kind of

JAKE: [00:20:33] of adds to that


media. I will say that’s kind of tough though.

Because in order for that, to be the case, especially on Twitter, like Twitter is especially the wild West

KOBY: [00:20:44] Oh, yeah, it’s

JAKE: [00:20:45] the, internet. so I don’t know, like, I don’t know. I agree with you, but because I’m also trying to think of like, even in terms of like my own music, like, damn, who would I, who would, who could I get.

KOBY: [00:20:58] And I mean, at the end of the day, like you’re not going to find somebody who’s going to. Work for your entire potential audience, you know, like the perfect person for the entire potential audience. And if you could find that person, then you could probably skip out on the secondary retweets and stuff, you know, and just go with that one influencer, if that’s okay.

If they have the exact audience that you’re looking for. You just go with the one person, the retweets kind of to cast a wider net, but also get more specific, more niche niche down a little bit. So I don’t know. I don’t know if there’s necessarily a right answer for who choose for any of those things and it who knows it may not even really matter if your stuff is good out to 40 million people.

I dunno, chances are there’s going to be some people in there who, if you, if you get 10,000 fans out of that, that’s still pretty decent deal. So I don’t know, I guess the next question may even be a bigger issue. and that’s what should the content be that the original tweet is. Do you think it should be tweet made by the primary influencer that kind of like shouts out your music?

Or how, like, how

should you


JAKE: [00:22:19] about,

KOBY: [00:22:19] that?

JAKE: [00:22:20] I think it depends for each case.

KOBY: [00:22:24] Hmm.

JAKE: [00:22:25] But I don’t think it should sound

 KOBY: [00:22:28] Yeah, definitely. It should sound genuine.

JAKE: [00:22:30] genuine. Like, Hey, I really like this song and that’s why I’m posting about it. That should be the vibe. They don’t have to say that they should definitely not say that.

KOBY: [00:22:40] yeah, honestly, like the best case scenario would be to have. It actually be genuine. Like if you choose the original influencer, who is

somebody who

JAKE: [00:22:51] who buys actually. Yeah, exactly. Ultimately if you’re choosing the right, demographic, then yeah,

KOBY: [00:22:56] That should be the case. I mean, it’s hard to say what any individual person is gonna like. And these people you’re also paying them. So it’s, it’s kinda difficult to judge sometimes if they actually do like your stuff for, if they’re just hoping for a paycheck, but ultimately that’s kind of what you, you want it to be sort of a genuine post or at least sound like a genuine post.

one thing that I would say about whatever it should be is that whatever it is, it should be really, really easy for anybody who comes across it, even after it’s been retweeted or whatever they should know it’s about you. Like, it should be very, very clearly leading back to you. If it doesn’t tell somebody exactly where to go to find you, if they don’t know how to like, find.

Whatever it’s about. And it really doesn’t matter. You know what I mean? even if it’s like, just your name, like that might not be enough. Maybe it should be about a specific song. Cause there are like artists out there who have similar names and stuff like that. It can be kind of tricky to narrow down unless you have enough information to do that.

So I would just make sure it’s specific enough that it will actually lead people back to you or it’s kind of. Worthless, you know, like, and, and maybe even on top of that, it should have some sort of call to action to like, that’s something we’ve talked about before, like telling the audience what they should do when they hear it.

They they’re more likely to actually do it. So I don’t know if it’s, if it’s somebody shouting you out and they say, go listen to this song on Spotify. Like that’s a specific like call to action. don’t know how, an influencer would go about crafting a, a tweet that would incorporate

that in


JAKE: [00:24:41] a natural way. I almost disagree with that because if it says anything along the lines of like, Go listen to this song on Spotify or

KOBY: [00:24:51] like an ad.

JAKE: [00:24:52] They just have to be like, Oh, like they like that.

It’s like the social proof, like, okay, I see it has the retweets. I see that this person likes it. let me take a listen to whatever they just posted. Oh, I do like it. Oh, who’s this artist. And then like, however, you can get that in there. I think is the way.

KOBY: [00:25:07] that’s a good point. And that may just come down to who the influencer is and how they,

Yeah, how exactly how that, how they do their thing.

JAKE: [00:25:18] Yeah. Let them do their thing.

KOBY: [00:25:20] right. Yeah.

Yeah. So what it actually looks like could be anything.

I do think though that if people don’t know it’s about you or like how to find you, then it’s kind of a pointless thing because. It’s not going to actually lead anything. and I think that it’s better to have the influencer actually create the content Like the temptation I feel for a lot of people would be to like, I don’t know, you’re going to message this person and like ask for.

This content to be put out and you’re going to, I don’t know, maybe put together a little, like example of what type of thing it could be or something like that. I don’t think that’s a good way to go about it. Like you, it’s not going to be genuine if you’re kind of

JAKE: [00:26:04] of putting words, cause


followers have to buy it.

KOBY: [00:26:08] exactly right.

Yeah. As much as you can make it them, I think that’s better for you. so far, I mean, we’ve kind of been just talking about Twitter, which is, a thing I feel like in the music industry, I don’t know. Maybe it’s, cause I don’t have a

Twitter account, but

JAKE: [00:26:26] like,

KOBY: [00:26:26] have yeah. But I don’t know. that doesn’t resonate with me quite as much.

but I mean, you could do this on really any social media platform. I

JAKE: [00:26:34] think.

KOBY: [00:26:35] Instagram would work. I actually think maybe there could be more possibilities with some other platforms like Instagram. One thing that I thought was really interesting, this is kind of a variation on this idea that got me thinking this could be really, really cool and new.

and that’s connecting this idea to tick talk. I don’t know exactly what the pricing for this would be. I could see maybe this being a more expensive option, but like having somebody who has a lot of followers on tick tock create a tick tock dance or something, some content to your music on tick tock, and

then have others.




JAKE: [00:27:21] as long as long as the initial person is. Yeah.

KOBY: [00:27:25] it has to fit their thing that they do. And that’s it. Tick talks had even more like stylized thing. I think we’re if it doesn’t fit what that person normally does. It’s going to come off as not genuine. And somebody’s gonna look at this and be like, Oh, this is like a sponsored thing.

but I feel like that kind of idea number one gets your actual music into the actual posts. So people don’t have to go look for it. They can hear it. Take talks. Great about that. Being able to find out what the sound is and everything like that. So that part is even easier. And then on top of that, I feel like tech talks more, interactive sometimes, you know, like it’s all about trends and, repeating something that somebody else has done.

So if somebody is doing a duet, duet, I think are like the prime example of that, like you’re literally doing the same thing that somebody else has done. With a split screen of them doing it, and then that encourages other people to do the same thing. So I feel like, I don’t know, you have much more experience with tick tock than I do.

do you think that would be a viable option or something that would be

able to

JAKE: [00:28:39] to kind of

KOBY: [00:28:40] apply this idea?

JAKE: [00:28:42] Yeah. Yeah. The thing about tech talk is like either so hard, like you’re like, like makes you consider having a mobile device hard

  1. Yeah. Yeah. Or, or it’s just like, Oh, why did this get 4,000 views? Like

KOBY: [00:29:03] Yeah.

JAKE: [00:29:04] Yeah. It’s, Yeah


KOBY: [00:29:05] a weird, platform that don’t like, don’t get me wrong. I do not pretend to understand. How ticktock works. I don’t have an account. I just kind of look through it. And it’s making me feel like a really old man to like talk about, but just to like, see what, like, why it’s a thing, uh, and how it works.

Because I, do think that could be, and it has shown to be a powerful tool for. Music promotion.  there’ve been many artists at this point who have really come out of tick tock. I don’t know. We could think of loads of examples. I’m sure. There, Holt genres now that have like, started on ticktock.

I don’t know of many people who are at least openly paying for posts on ticktock either. So I don’t know what the market is really like there, but I’m sure that that’s gotta be a thing. There have been people who have migrated over to tick tock from YouTube or from Instagram, where this kind of idea of paying for, a post or something like that is.

Just all over the place. So I’m sure there are people out there who are going to be willing to do that. 

JAKE: [00:30:18] yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s possible definitely to cross between platforms it’s, it’s been done successfully, but I mean, you have to do it and in a way that works for, or in a way that your demographic likes or your fan base likes.

KOBY: [00:30:31] I mean, no matter what platform you’re doing this on or what form it’s in, I think that this is just a good way to think about using social media as a promotion and marketing. Tool bringing this idea of social proof into it. and, and ultimately what you’re trying to accomplish is mobilizing a new audience, getting somebody to see some piece of content, resonate with it in some way, whether that’s because of the social proof or just on the content alone, and then actually go and do something because of it.

They’re going to either look you up. They’re going to listen to your music. They’re going to retweet it or post about it themselves, do a duet or whatever it is on whatever platform you’re trying to get them to actually. Mobilize and, do something. So that’s kind of what you have to keep in the back of your mind when you’re both choosing, what content you’re going to promote and also choosing who the influencers are and what platform you want to go with.

so I mean, I would be really interested to see what people can come up with that. I don’t know that enough people are. Really looking into the idea of paying for social media content promotion. It’s kind of one of those things that I think for a lot of artists, it seems a little weird, or it seems a little sketchy, or you don’t want to put any money into that type of thing.

And I understand that, but I think at the same time, it’s worth experimenting with, especially For something where you could potentially get such big results with such a small amount of upfront investment.

Yeah, So, if you want to hear us talk more about social media, marketing promotion and things like that, I mean, we’ll learn along with you. If there’s a topic you want to hear more about, you can send us an email at, let us know, and we’ll look into it and try to get you some more information.

On social media. And at the same time, we’ll be trying to beef up our own social media as well. We, we have Instagram and Facebook, for the podcast, but I’m always looking for ways to improve. So if there’s anything that you have used successfully, that you, you want to let us know about or let other people in the audience know about, you can go over to the self sign community on Facebook and start up a conversation over there.

JAKE: [00:33:06] so quickly, I would just like to talk to our new listeners for a second. All listeners you can, uh, enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you for listening. All right, now that they’re gone. What’s up guys. We just want to welcome you and say, thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you so much. And all we ask of you is that if you could please leave us a written five star review on Apple podcasts.

That would be great. The other guys already did it. That’s why they left early. So next time you guys can leave early as well. Just do the extra credit. and do that

KOBY: [00:33:41] That’s all we’ve got for you this week. We’ll catch you on the next episode of Self-Signed Artist.

JAKE: [00:33:47] peace.